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[bbshooter]

Would someone please define the term "instinctive shooting"?

When I first took up slingshots, I immediately started to work on my aim. I found that if you are holding the Ss in a vertical position the anchor point was the top of the ear. If the Ss is held in the horizontal position the anchor point is the corner of the mouth (or bottom of the ear). Then this past weekend, I started to work on having the anchor point at my shoulder. And lastly, today I made a few shots at tree trunks with the anchor point at my waist.

All of this is fine and good for aiming but does nothing toward defining instinctive shooting.

So, what gives?

[Guyhimmel]

People kinda try to prevent the use of the word "Ss"...

i use the higher fork to aim,
i have no idea what instinctive shooting means...

[bbshooter]

Guyhimmel, on 15 September 2010 - 05:31 PM, said:

People kinda try to prevent the use of the word "Ss"...

i use the higher fork to aim,
i have no idea what instinctive shooting means...

Your right. I apologize for the Ss. Trying to use shorthand.

[Dayhiker]

I alternate between aiming an instinct shooting.
I'll have a go at explaining the difference.
When I aim (or sight shoot), I use part of the fork like a gun sight (which part depends on the fork). It gives me a way to establish a relationship between the fork and the target.
When I shoot instinctively, I point the fork at the target and concentrate only on the target, letting my hand-eye coordination (and brain) do it on their own.

[Bugar]

Instinctive shooting is bout the same as throwing a ball, after so many pitches or shots, you just sorta know how to put the ball or pebble where you want it to go=That's instinctive- then there are sight shooters, that use sights, and then you can use a mark on the side of the fork for reference, or can use the gap between the top or bottom of the fork for sighting reference picture, OR just whatever works out best for you, but the main thing is always anchor the same place, and always hold the slingshot the same, that's bout the best this ol' guy can explain it, mebbe somebody else has other ideas or explanitions, PRACTICE-PRACTICE->

[Nico]

bbshooter, on 15 September 2010 - 12:40 PM, said:

Would someone please define the term "instinctive shooting"?

When I first took up slingshots, I immediately started to work on my aim. I found that if you are holding the Ss in a vertical position the anchor point was the top of the ear. If the Ss is held in the horizontal position the anchor point is the corner of the mouth (or bottom of the ear). Then this past weekend, I started to work on having the anchor point at my shoulder. And lastly, today I made a few shots at tree trunks with the anchor point at my waist.

All of this is fine and good for aiming but does nothing toward defining instinctive shooting.

So, what gives?

The best I can describe instinctive shooting, is that you arent consciously using some part of your fork as a way to align with your target. Instead its your eyes that guide you to your shot, you focus on your target draw back and release when you feel its right.

In Mexican shooting practices we call it "tirando al tanteo" I'm not sure how to properly translate this, except that you are shooting with a "visual estimate of the target's trajectory" as opposed using the fork in some way to aim.

I cant aim with my slingshots, I try and I'm terrible at aiming I do best at instintive flip shooting..

[crazyslingshot]

Why not aiming?

1: there is no real aiming for slingshot because the ammo drops down much after flying about 15 meters.
How do you aim with a curved trajectory?

2:slingshot is a rough projectile thing without any aiming mechanism , any tiny difference,say 1 or 2 mm, of the aiming always lead to big difference of trajectory, thus the big deviation from hitting the target.


Instinctive shooting is a method of 'aiming' by using the human's muscle and brain.

Human's muscle and brain have much more performance and potential than the 'aiming mechanism' you would found on the slingshot.

There is only a short phrase to describel it: shoot toward the target , practice and practice.

Instinctive shooting is bout the same as shoot a basket when playing the basketball.

What's the 'aiming mechanism' the NBA player use? Absolutely, no at all, just shoot the basket by instinction.

[dgui]

Istinctive shooting automatically takes information on target size and distance and has no rigid systematic draw and no achor point and no point of reference. This is the best technique for not limiting yourself to 33 feet. Instinctive shooting is rapidly learned by snap shooting at 5 or 10 feet using a can as a target with this you can see quickly that shooting at will offers an advantage without having to make sure the pouch is pulled to the ear at a certain spot before taking the shot. This is too regimented for me and you cannot use it at varying distances.

[bbshooter]

Dayhiker, on 15 September 2010 - 05:45 PM, said:

I alternate between aiming an instinct shooting.
I'll have a go at explaining the difference.
When I aim (or sight shoot), I use part of the fork like a gun sight (which part depends on the fork). It gives me a way to establish a relationship between the fork and the target.
When I shoot instinctively, I point the fork at the target and concentrate only on the target, letting my hand-eye coordination (and brain) do it on their own.

Bugar, on 15 September 2010 - 05:47 PM, said:

Instinctive shooting is bout the same as throwing a ball, after so many pitches or shots, you just sorta know how to put the ball or pebble where you want it to go=That's instinctive- then there are sight shooters, that use sights, and then you can use a mark on the side of the fork for reference, or can use the gap between the top or bottom of the fork for sighting reference picture, OR just whatever works out best for you, but the main thing is always anchor the same place, and always hold the slingshot the same, that's bout the best this ol' guy can explain it, mebbe somebody else has other ideas or explanitions, PRACTICE-PRACTICE->

Nico, on 15 September 2010 - 06:03 PM, said:

bbshooter, on 15 September 2010 - 12:40 PM, said:

Would someone please define the term "instinctive shooting"?

When I first took up slingshots, I immediately started to work on my aim. I found that if you are holding the Ss in a vertical position the anchor point was the top of the ear. If the Ss is held in the horizontal position the anchor point is the corner of the mouth (or bottom of the ear). Then this past weekend, I started to work on having the anchor point at my shoulder. And lastly, today I made a few shots at tree trunks with the anchor point at my waist.

All of this is fine and good for aiming but does nothing toward defining instinctive shooting.

So, what gives?

The best I can describe instinctive shooting, is that you arent consciously using some part of your fork as a way to align with your target. Instead its your eyes that guide you to your shot, you focus on your target draw back and release when you feel its right.

In Mexican shooting practices we call it "tirando al tanteo" I'm not sure how to properly translate this, except that you are shooting with a "visual estimate of the target's trajectory" as opposed using the fork in some way to aim.

I cant aim with my slingshots, I try and I'm terrible at aiming I do best at instintive flip shooting..

crazyslingshot, on 15 September 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

Why not aiming?

1: there is no real aiming for slingshot because the ammo drops down much after flying about 15 meters.
How do you aim with a curved trajectory?

2:slingshot is a rough projectile thing without any aiming mechanism , any tiny difference,say 1 or 2 mm, of the aiming always lead to big difference of trajectory, thus the big deviation from hitting the target.


Instinctive shooting is a method of 'aiming' by using the human's muscle and brain.

Human's muscle and brain have much more performance and potential than the 'aiming mechanism' you would found on the slingshot.

There is only a short phrase to describel it: shoot toward the target , practice and practice.

Instinctive shooting is bout the same as shoot a basket when playing the basketball.

What's the 'aiming mechanism' the NBA player use? Absolutely, no at all, just shoot the basket by instinction.

Okay, I think I am starting to get a handle on "instinctive shooting". You practice letting the mind and body determine where the shot should go.

To paraphrase from my own life experience.....When I was young (and my eyesight was much better) I was a fair billiards player. When I walked up to table and looked at the shot I knew instinctively what I had to do to move the ball I was shooting at and what I had to do to the Cue ball. If I would have had to explain what I did I would have been at a complete loss.....because.....my mind and body knew what to do after many hundreds of games played. There was very little actual thought or planning because my mind did all of the work automatically.

Thanks one and all.

[Jaybird]

I agree with everything said about instinctive shooting except Dqui's words "snap shooting".I think he used the term to mean a fast shot.When instinctive shooting you shoot as soon as you have hand eye co-ordination which can be pretty fast,but does not have to be fast.A snap shot is an uncontrolled shot whether you are instinctive shooting or sight shooting.A fast instinctive shot is not nessarily a snap shot.It can be a fast hand eye co-ordinated shot.I hope everyone understands what I am trying to say.Too many people misuse the phrase "SNAP SHOOTING".

[dragonmaster]

just use your minds eye it will put everything in the right place for you and with practice you will start hitting the target

[harpersgrace]

I just point and pray, I call it spiritual shooting....

[crazyslingshot]

instinctive shoot is broadly used in sports.


billiards , basketball shoot, soccer shoot, flip dagger...


Good accuracy can be acquired.

[dgui]

Jaybird, on 15 September 2010 - 08:33 PM, said:

I agree with everything said about instinctive shooting except Dqui's words "snap shooting".I think he used the term to mean a fast shot.When instinctive shooting you shoot as soon as you have hand eye co-ordination which can be pretty fast,but does not have to be fast.A snap shot is an uncontrolled shot whether you are instinctive shooting or sight shooting.A fast instinctive shot is not nessarily a snap shot.It can be a fast hand eye co-ordinated shot.I hope everyone understands what I am trying to say.Too many people misuse the phrase "SNAP SHOOTING".

Im guilty of the misuse of the term. I shall refrain from the use of snapshoot. But I do that to take care of lizards on my fence and snakes in the ditch. But realy take a full second and get a feel for where your shooting. I was incorrect. Thanks Jaybird.

[NoSugarRob]

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Edited by NoSugarRob, 18 August 2011 - 04:56 AM.

[Tex-Shooter]

I agree with what has been said except one thing. I can sight shoot at different distances and the trajectory does not bother me to much until I am beyond 50 yards or until I cannot use the bottom prong as a sight. It’s just a matter of knowing your trajectory and what aim point of your fork to use at different distances. On the slingshot that I shoot, the corner of the top prong is on at 10 meters, first sight mark on the top prong 15 meters, bottom sight mark on the top prong 20 meters 1/4 inch below the top prong 30 meters, ½ way between the two prongs 40 meters, the inside corner of the bottom prong 50 meters, about 11/2 inch below the bottom prong 60 meters and about the with of the two prongs below the bottom prong 70 meters. Windage is achieved by rotating the fork slightly to the right or left. I instinctive shoot when I am only going to get one shot, unless I know the distance. If hunting and a target is not on something solid, I might take a trial shot a short ways away from him to find the distance as generally an animal will not move unless you hit close to him. Then the second shot I will put on him. This is a technique that I would use on a pest, but not on game like a rabbit. -- Tex

[whipcrackdeadbunny]

NoSugarRob, on 16 September 2010 - 05:23 AM, said:

harpersgrace, on 15 September 2010 - 09:40 PM, said:

I just point and pray, I call it spiritual shooting....

Yeah baby!

[whipcrackdeadbunny]

Tex-Shooter, on 16 September 2010 - 06:26 AM, said:

I agree with what has been said except one thing. I can sight shoot at different distances and the trajectory does not bother me to much until I am beyond 50 yards or until I cannot use the bottom prong as a sight. It’s just a matter of knowing your trajectory and what aim point of your fork to use at different distances. On the slingshot that I shoot, the corner of the top prong is on at 10 meters, first sight mark on the top prong 15 meters, bottom sight mark on the top prong 20 meters 1/4 inch below the top prong 30 meters, ½ way between the two prongs 40 meters, the inside corner of the bottom prong 50 meters, about 11/2 inch below the bottom prong 60 meters and about the with of the two prongs below the bottom prong 70 meters. Windage is achieved by rotating the fork slightly to the right or left. I instinctive shoot when I am only going to get one shot, unless I know the distance. If hunting and a target is not on something solid, I might take a trial shot a short ways away from him to find the distance as generally an animal will not move unless you hit close to him. Then the second shot I will put on him. This is a technique that I would use on a pest, but not on game like a rabbit. -- Tex

I've been thinking about improving my distance, this is exactly what I need. What would we do without experienced shooters like you?

[Bugar]

Y'Know Bill' Read your post and went out and did some shooting,, I don't even know where my fork posts line up, I'm not even sure i pay any tension to em, guess I just shoot my way and don't use no sight reference, just the way i shoot my cattys, course when was in the Marines i used sights alla time, but that was guns and other noisy stuff, shot instinctive archery for years, did sorta gap shooting with m' longbows. OH WELL, diffrent strokes for =>
Later-Bugar

Tex-Shooter, on 16 September 2010 - 06:26 AM, said:

I agree with what has been said except one thing. I can sight shoot at different distances and the trajectory does not bother me to much until I am beyond 50 yards or until I cannot use the bottom prong as a sight. It’s just a matter of knowing your trajectory and what aim point of your fork to use at different distances. On the slingshot that I shoot, the corner of the top prong is on at 10 meters, first sight mark on the top prong 15 meters, bottom sight mark on the top prong 20 meters 1/4 inch below the top prong 30 meters, ½ way between the two prongs 40 meters, the inside corner of the bottom prong 50 meters, about 11/2 inch below the bottom prong 60 meters and about the with of the two prongs below the bottom prong 70 meters. Windage is achieved by rotating the fork slightly to the right or left. I instinctive shoot when I am only going to get one shot, unless I know the distance. If hunting and a target is not on something solid, I might take a trial shot a short ways away from him to find the distance as generally an animal will not move unless you hit close to him. Then the second shot I will put on him. This is a technique that I would use on a pest, but not on game like a rabbit. -- Tex

[Jaybird]

dgui
If you have both eyes on your target and pull back and shoot fast it is a controlled instinctive shot.A snap shot is a uncontrolled shot.The definition gets confusing sometime.

[dgui]

Jaybird, on 16 September 2010 - 05:12 PM, said:

dgui
If you have both eyes on your target and pull back and shoot fast it is a controlled instinctive shot.A snap shot is a uncontrolled shot.The definition gets confusing sometime.

If you or any one can do some video to show both of these I would like to see. All this time I thought I was snapshot shooting by pulling and letting go with no pause. Now im not so sure.

[CB900SS]

dgui, on 16 September 2010 - 07:10 PM, said:

Jaybird, on 16 September 2010 - 05:12 PM, said:

dgui
If you have both eyes on your target and pull back and shoot fast it is a controlled instinctive shot.A snap shot is a uncontrolled shot.The definition gets confusing sometime.

If you or any one can do some video to show both of these I would like to see. All this time I thought I was snapshot shooting by pulling and letting go with no pause. Now im not so sure.

Unless you can put a camera in someones eyes you can't film this.

I did some instinctive shooting the other day... I was very surprised at how accurate I got after a few shots.

[Sam]

My definition of instinctive shooting is when you focus solely on your target and pay no visual attention to the position of your slingshot's forks; I think that although it takes longer to pick-up it's definitely a better method when hunting.

[SlingMan]

crazyslingshot, on 15 September 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

Why not aiming?

1: there is no real aiming for slingshot because the ammo drops down much after flying about 15 meters.
How do you aim with a curved trajectory?

2:slingshot is a rough projectile thing without any aiming mechanism , any tiny difference,say 1 or 2 mm, of the aiming always lead to big difference of trajectory, thus the big deviation from hitting the target.


Instinctive shooting is a method of 'aiming' by using the human's muscle and brain.

Human's muscle and brain have much more performance and potential than the 'aiming mechanism' you would found on the slingshot.

There is only a short phrase to describel it: shoot toward the target , practice and practice.

Instinctive shooting is bout the same as shoot a basket when playing the basketball.

What's the 'aiming mechanism' the NBA player use? Absolutely, no at all, just shoot the basket by instinction.

It's obvious you don't own a King Cat Sling Shot.

[Dayhiker]

Don't know about the rest of you fellas, but the more analytical I get while shooting, the worse I shoot. This goes triple for instinct shooting. If I'm in a thoughtful frame of mind, I can't hit anything instinctively.
One more thing. The key word for me whether sight shooting or instinct shooting is: Relax! Which doesn't come easy